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chris: they win. >> they're afraid of a debt ceiling confrontation or actually defaulting on the debt. they don't want to be blamed for that. >> the tea party people are not here to legislate. they're here to de'mon strailt. -- to demonstrate. they didn't get to do it on the fiscal cliff in the end. they want to do it to something and go over the edge. and this will take them over the edge and they will lose politically and the president is going to have to scramble to shut things down. and credit ratings will be affected. chris: when is the public going to make a verdict on whether they like that kind of behavior? >> they sort of did in the last election. chris: and 12 of our regulars including you, howard, can president obama split off enough republicans to win the big fights copping up on debt and the budget -- coming up on debt and the budget and guns? eight say yes. four say no. howard, you voted with the majority nt at least on the debt and budget issues and you're wary on the gun thing. >> yeah. and for the reasons that john was saying. because a lot of democrats who will be ru
chris: they win. >> they're afraid of a debt ceiling confrontation or actually defaulting on the debt. they don't want to be blamed for that. >> the tea party people are not here to legislate. they're here to de'mon strailt. -- to demonstrate. they didn't get to do it on the fiscal cliff in the end. they want to do it to something and go over the edge. and this will take them over the edge and they will lose politically and the president is going to have to scramble to shut things...
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the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any conversations about extending the bush tax cuts, what i said we wouldn't extend bush tax cuts for wealthy and we didn't. we can argue during the campaign that i said, i set the criteria for wealthy at 250, and we ended up being at 400. but the fact of the matter is that millionaires, billionaires, are paying significantly more in taxes, just as i said. so from, you know, from the start my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class and my biggest priority was making sure middle class tax
the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any...
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okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling and he must have gone through the same idea 15 times. saying this is about honoring the obligation and paying the bills we have already incured. he raised the debt ceiling on how to depend on the ongoing financial assistance from the foreign country to finance the reckless, fiscal pollty. the point of raising the debt ceiling is to allow to us borrow. he talked about the debt ceiling a dozen times. not once did he use the word "borrow." that means we are going to continue to borrow for every dollar the government spend, only 60 cents of it come from
okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling...
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he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of fantastical sounding option of minting a trillion dollar platinum coin. so they've closed yet another door, and he's essentially said, you know, i'm just not playing ball. i read that politico story today as very interesting. it could be john boehner's camp saying we can't control the far right wing. it could also be a little bit of a bluff. it may be that boehner really feels that way or maybe he wants the white house the think he feels that way and it could be, again, part of this grand game of chicken. everyone is positioning right now. that's what's
he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of...
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they play to hold the debt ceiling hostage. aides say half the conference is ready to let the nation default. speaker boehner will school them on the real threat later this week. even a temporary extension for, say, two or three months could rattle the markets and threaten the nation's credit rating. last time they hashled out a debt deal? summer of 2011 and we ended up more than a trillion dollars in mandatory spending cuts and congress still hasn't addressed and delayed again until march. we start with nbc's peter alexander outside the white house. peter, the president also told congress if they don't want to take the political risk of raising the limit, give him the power. he'll do it himself. >> reporter: that's clear f. you aren't going to do it, i'll do it myself. in essence today, toure, he basically dared congress not to up the debt ceiling today. obviously, one of the comments he said that i think is pretty interesting is saying in his own language, they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the econom
they play to hold the debt ceiling hostage. aides say half the conference is ready to let the nation default. speaker boehner will school them on the real threat later this week. even a temporary extension for, say, two or three months could rattle the markets and threaten the nation's credit rating. last time they hashled out a debt deal? summer of 2011 and we ended up more than a trillion dollars in mandatory spending cuts and congress still hasn't addressed and delayed again until march. we...
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ceiling and your own debt ceiling and doesn't it suggest we're going into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about this. >> no, major, i think if you look at the history. getting votes for the debt ceiling is difficult and votes in in town are difficult. i went through this last year. what is different we never saw a situation like we saw last year in which certain groups in congress took such an absolutist position that we came within a few days of defaulting. >> lou dobbs is the host of lou dobbs tonight on the fox business network. lou, welcome back. what an extraordinary exchange we saw the president have on that issue. basically his position was, we're raising the debt ceiling whether congress wants to or not. i'm not negotiating with them on it. i'm not following what speaker boehner said is the boehner rule of for every dollar we increase the debt limit there will be a spending cut and i'm not going to let them put a gun at the heads of american people because in his terms, they refuse to pay the bills that they've agreed to pay and when asked about the
ceiling and your own debt ceiling and doesn't it suggest we're going into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about this. >> no, major, i think if you look at the history. getting votes for the debt ceiling is difficult and votes in in town are difficult. i went through this last year. what is different we never saw a situation like we saw last year in which certain groups in congress took such an absolutist position that we came within a few days of defaulting....
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ceiling, and your own history on the debt ceiling. and doesn't that suggest that we are going to go into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about how to resolve this? >> well, no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult, and budgets in this town are always difficult. i went through this just last year. but what's different is we never saw a situation as we saw last year in which certain groups in congress took such an absolutist position that we came within a few days of defaulting. and the fact of the matter is, is that we have never seen the debt ceiling used in this fashion, where the notion was, you know what, we might default unless we get 100 percent of what we want. that hasn't happened. now, as i indicated before, i'm happy to have a conversation about how we reduce our deficits further in a sensible way. although one thing i want to point out is that the american people are also concerned about how we grow our economy, how we put people back to
ceiling, and your own history on the debt ceiling. and doesn't that suggest that we are going to go into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about how to resolve this? >> well, no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult, and budgets in this town are always difficult. i went through this just last year. but what's different is we never saw a situation as we saw last year in which certain groups in congress...
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for example, how to raise the debt ceiling. can they even get that passed? at the end of the week, boehner will head to williamsburg, virginia to walk them through the consequences of default and then sell them on a plan that steers them away from that. as the vice president gets set to meet with house democrats about gun violence today, if the political will to change gun laws really there? democratic congressman jim clyburn, he joins me next on that topic and some others. like are we headed for another government shutdown? fight over the debt ceiling, what comes first, but first, a look ahead at the president's schedule today. lots of off camera meetings. life live lunch. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this
for example, how to raise the debt ceiling. can they even get that passed? at the end of the week, boehner will head to williamsburg, virginia to walk them through the consequences of default and then sell them on a plan that steers them away from that. as the vice president gets set to meet with house democrats about gun violence today, if the political will to change gun laws really there? democratic congressman jim clyburn, he joins me next on that topic and some others. like are we headed...
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we expect him to talk about the debt ceiling. we're going to bring his comments to you live. >>> it's been one month since the tragic shooting at sandy hook elementary school. politicians at the state and federal level are scrambling to find ways to end gun violence in america. and one of them maryland governor martin o'malley outlined plans for what he says would be the toughest gun laws in the country. >> this would be a comprehensive legislative package to prevent gun violence and it addresses not only the guns but mental health and school safety. briefly, it will ban military assault weapons that have no place on the streets of baltimore or no other neighborhood in our state and it will limit the size of magazines in order to make it harder for criminals to gun down in succession police officers or school children. >> that might work for a state like maryland, a very blue state, but maybe not so much at a federal level. david keane, the president of the national rifle association, says, yeah, it will be a whole different stor
we expect him to talk about the debt ceiling. we're going to bring his comments to you live. >>> it's been one month since the tragic shooting at sandy hook elementary school. politicians at the state and federal level are scrambling to find ways to end gun violence in america. and one of them maryland governor martin o'malley outlined plans for what he says would be the toughest gun laws in the country. >> this would be a comprehensive legislative package to prevent gun violence...
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steve bell talks about the debt ceiling. then, the mission and scope of the bureau of all, tobacco, firearms, explosives. "washington journal," live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> next, "q&a." then, david -- david cameron takes questions at the house of commons. then a discussion on the guantanamo detention facility. >> the fundamental idea here is if you spend time in silicon valley, if you spend time in detroit, where the automobile industry is being rebuilt, if you spent time outside the beltway, you see that america has the potential to generate abundance for its own citizens and for the world. you spend time only inside the beltway, it looks like a zero sum game. it looks like a lose-lose. who will lose the most is the gist is the -- gist of the negotiation. water the lessons of the technology sector? what are the lessons that have come from the optimism in the technology sector? how can they give us some
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let's use the sequester, but don't use the debt ceiling. that's a bad idea. >> president said he won't negotiate on the debt ceiling. >> i think he's right on that. >> senator, thank you. good to see you. >> thank you. nice to see you all. >>> and we spoke to supreme court justice sonia sotomayor. she spoke with scott pelley about her new york city home and reputation as a tough corporate lawyer. >> you write in your book that one day one of the associates one of your colleagues was on the telephone, and he described you, your words, not mine as one tough -- >> his words. >> as one tough bitch. >> yeah. >> and when you heard that, you thought what? >> what in the world is wrong with me? i was a pretty tough negotiator and hard to push around and i don't think they were used to my kind of toughness then. >> is his description in any way unfair? >> probably not. >> she's been called a lot of things, but she told us more than madam justice, she prefers another title. >> it's sonia from the bronx. >> what does it mean to be sonia from the bronx
let's use the sequester, but don't use the debt ceiling. that's a bad idea. >> president said he won't negotiate on the debt ceiling. >> i think he's right on that. >> senator, thank you. good to see you. >> thank you. nice to see you all. >>> and we spoke to supreme court justice sonia sotomayor. she spoke with scott pelley about her new york city home and reputation as a tough corporate lawyer. >> you write in your book that one day one of the associates...
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we hit that debt ceiling and now it's about the debt limit. >> we hit it in technically in december but in order to keep paying the bills the government delayed some payments so it looks like we'll hit that ceiling or that limit again in mid february. congress has got to do something about that. the house is back today. republicans are going to push for spending cuts. remember their mantra has been no more borrowing without limiting what we're spending and among spending cuts they are likely to look at social security this time. >> there's also some trouble on capitol hill ahead of chuck hagel's confirmation hearing. >> the confirmation hearings we have coming up at least three of them. chuck hagel could be the most difficult because democrats and republicans here have some challenges and lots of questions for him. still they say about the stance on iran and things he said about iraq and israel and whether he stands close enough with israel as ally. the white house is confident he'll be confirmed. it's not going to be an easy process. >> one month since the school shooting at sandy hook
we hit that debt ceiling and now it's about the debt limit. >> we hit it in technically in december but in order to keep paying the bills the government delayed some payments so it looks like we'll hit that ceiling or that limit again in mid february. congress has got to do something about that. the house is back today. republicans are going to push for spending cuts. remember their mantra has been no more borrowing without limiting what we're spending and among spending cuts they are...
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the debt ceiling and the battle over that that will play out over the next 60 days. it strikes me that if you do not put the economy on a firmer foundation none of this means anything, does it. >> reporter: you know, bill, you would think so. i think that one of the things that's happened here is because the economy did not really recover in the way we accustomed to before the 2012 election one imagined that president obama would be in all sorts of political trouble and a likely looser. a lot of us thought that, including me. well he won. this president may now have the view that he can defy political gravity and if the economy doesn't get a lot bet and it limps along at its anemic rate of growth his party can survive all that and he can go forward with an aggressive a skwrepbd today, he really does have a bigger mandate than you would think looking at the vote totals that he has, he has the republicans on defense and it's time to go for it, and if they buck him they will be the ones that pay the price in the mid-term elections in two years putting him in an even str
the debt ceiling and the battle over that that will play out over the next 60 days. it strikes me that if you do not put the economy on a firmer foundation none of this means anything, does it. >> reporter: you know, bill, you would think so. i think that one of the things that's happened here is because the economy did not really recover in the way we accustomed to before the 2012 election one imagined that president obama would be in all sorts of political trouble and a likely looser. a...
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in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so far, we've actually had $2.4 trillion over a ten-year period of deficit reduction. but about 30% of it has come from rev lienue increases and at the other 70% from come from spending cuts. entirely from discretionary programs. >> what's the budget control act? >> it's what came out of the last debt ceiling debacle when the republicans and the democrats agreed on this trillion dollars of roughly discretionary -- all discretionary spending reductions. but the point is, none of this really touches entitlements. none of it touches the mandatory. and its $2.4 trillion. >> where is the sequestration in these numbers? >> it's not in here yet because it hasn't happened yet. this is sort of where we are today. this next graph shows you how budget wonks measure our progress. if we had done nothing, we w
in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so far, we've actually had $2.4 trillion over a ten-year period of deficit reduction. but about 30% of it has come from rev lienue increases and at the other 70% from come from spending cuts. entirely from...